I was hoping I could use this combo to make use of available components. I never really set my sights, in a manner of speaking, on the .38 cartridge like I did other rounds. Thats not quite how that works. The covered blackstrap and extended length Compac design I reckon are major factors in reducing perceived recoil. You need a .357 Magnum revolver if you want to try a 9MM cylinder. Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. Best to start a little low, and work up slowly with a chrono, though. HAVE FUN JP. I burned up about 300 of them before giving up. 750-850fps. The 36s greater weight makes it much easier to shoot than the 638. 41 Rem Mag 35,000 2 and No. (Note: These are near maximum loads (in some cases ARE MAXIMUM), you should use 10%. Bullseye 3.2gr / 763fps --> 4.2gr / 892fps (max), Unique 4.3gr / 773fps --> 5.3gr / 944fps (max), 231 3.9gr / 733fps --> 4.8gr / 896pfs (max). My Lyman 49th has data for 125 gr JHP and 120 gr LRN. 10 for a full cylinder. You will find plenty of Red Dot loads there. That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. Thanks to all for the info. Any pistol competitions yet? Many of these men had no real experience with the handgun, and we had but a few weeks to get them up to very high standards that most shooters will never reach. Would you like to react to this message? I don't know what bullets you have, but Berry's recommends per their website to use hard cast data for their plated bullets. Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but its better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. Instead, Ive favored things like the K and L frame Smiths (5 screw pre-model 10 and 686 in my case) and Ruger revolvers for higher round count activities. 110gr JHP! Great gun with the best factory double action trigger Ive ever shot. Oh, I practice with it. Dennis, I dont reload and Im only 72, but shooting the .38Spl in my 6 S&W 586 is a sublime experience. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. Hodgdons Clays, International, Universal and HP38 are good choices. Display as a link instead, 38 spl.s. 4.) The best part about this is that not only do you never really lose your fired cases, but you they are always in great condition. I use 2.8-3.0 grains of Bullseye or AA#2 with 158 gr. This too is useful information. 3 1/2" average not included flyers which seem to happen on every group test. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. i use a Lee mold 150 round nose with 4 grains of bullseye crimped into the crimp groove of the bullet. And for 99% of the actual real world needs of a citizen for self defense it will work just fine. The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. Insufficient crimping ) ARCHIVED. In one or two strokes, the bullet is formed ready for dip lubing. Too early Are you sure? Soft shooting. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.). It's given me good results in the 2, 3 and 4 inch barreled. The 158 gr cast plain base accuracy load was 4.0 gr 231 which gave 837 Fps and 15,900 psi. The Pistol a Smith and Wesson model 27-2 The goal is two fold. I load a hard cast 125gn for my 38 special all the time. Yes I do have a few of the older high quality classic revolvers not the current made Cast Iron garbage that is being vomited out today. for 38 special I realized that I had hit a very special count for a very special cartridge: 20,000 rounds of .38 Special. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. Hi. I could knock out a pretty substantial chunk of my shooting needs with only these three loads. I'd rather shoot my .45 then. So I'd think you should find a decent load for short line at about 700 Fps and for the long line at about 800. Really interested in getting the. That for just a nice shooting load one cant beat 148gr wad-cutter for pure fun. Ive loaded some wadcutters to the point of being flush with the case mouth and big lead bullets almost to the front of the cylinder. People who prepare usually tend to focus on the survival basics: security/self-defense, water, food, first aid, sanitation/hygiene, knowing when to get out and when to stay put. There really is a recently developed technology that prevents leading, while eliminating messy lubricants. To many shooters, .45 ACP means 230-grain hardball at 830 fps. If all you practice with is the easy comfortable stuff, its not really practice. You are spot on about Trail Boss, that stuff is magical with cast reloads. Never got around to trying the T grips. Thx so it seems like for the long line I need to get some sagged bullets. There is almost no recoil and the student can increase power level when they feel ready using the same gun. IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. I once rented a Ruger LCR in .38 Special. A chameleon depending on your loads and the barrel length or action its fired from. +P? Last I looked still available at Brownells. Never ransom rested it, but held 10 ring off sandbags. This gun now wears factory synthetic grips which are decent but could use more girth behind the trigger guard. Shoot cast and coated bullets and you can go much higher in load and velocity. Thanks for the excellent article, Josh! Even slower powders may provide more consistent speeds and will be tested in the future (No. Like almost all pistol cartridges called ".38" the .38 Special actually takes .357" diameter bullets. I prefer the slower burning Unique, and I also use it for .357 magnum, just more of it. Powders include IMR, Hodgdon, Alliant, Vihtavuori, Winchester, Accurate Did you cross post the bullet weight? Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. Would .44 Special be somewhat similar to .38, in terms of ease of reloading, case life, etc.? (Same issue found with a 12 oz. ES 27 SD 12 Independence 130 grain FMJ round nose MV 892 fps ME 230 ft./lbs. There seems to be a dearth of information using WST powder for the 38 Spl cartridge. 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company The pistol or revolver of good quality is vital. Hmm. Recoil was so nasty that I quit after five shots and saved the rest of the box for my 6 Model 19 .357. .38 Special (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 353 loads. And.those Hornady 158 HPs are easy to reload but I have never had one open up in a varmint of any sort. And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. The load you use will be up to your gun. You will be, essentially, making 38 Short Colt. DR loads (158gr Remington swaged LSWC over 3.6gr AA#2 in Winchester .38 Special cases) I shoot American eagle, remington factory,remington umc, and mag tech. Proof of concept with .38 first, then on to 9mm where we have to actually cycle a slide but I think Ive got that problem solved. If you have a lightweight .38 or older gun, you may want to start with 10% less than max amounts listed above, and work up to the full loads. A light target load, which tends to be very accurate, is about 3.1 grains, with a 158 grain bullet. Horrible 5-12" groups at 25 yds. Shot placement is just as important if not more. Load it using wadcutter specs, and seat the bullet flush, like a wadcutter. I'm not looking to blow up my old model 10. I favor the appearance of the C/T load and find it slightly easier to grab and orient in the loading process. Starting being near 3gr - ish. Not sure how that translates to Bullseye powder. Load it like Trail Boss. 2.7 gr. The cartridge offers a great deal of zest and has thousands of possible load combinations. If you have the means, I highly recommend you trying one out. I'm asking the above questions because I don't want to run too hot of a load, but wasn't sure if it was ok to drop down below 2.8 as far as 2.5. Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. Disclaimer, I own or owned all the super calibers out there except the casull, theyre all fun and quite useful in some scenarios, but dont discount the old timer. hard cast LSWC's as a target load. swatmag.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Smith & Wesson Model 27 .357 Magnum (because no 6-inch Smith & Wesson .38 Special revolver was on hand). The bullets are seated flush in the case. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. September 2015 S.W.A.T. Therefore, your platform yields a lot of safety cushion with target loads. @ Grumpy- I tried LOTS of grips on S&W revolvers. The 919 case is tapered and therefore wider at the base than the .38 special is. Always make sure your lead bullets have been sized and lubricated. Yeah, my wifes last gun, with +P it actually HURTS! These are light and easy to shoot. Normal, mild .38 loads work fine with lead bullets. Most notably the lighter weight bullets. The 357 magnum about 45,000 psi and the std 38 special about 17,000 psi. My personal loads for practice replicate my carry. * All PLUS P loads for guns designed for it (20,000 PSI), (Cowboy loads shot in 7 1/2 bbl.revolver no need to reduce), ALL THESE LOADS ARE PLUS P, SPECIAL HOT 21,000 PSI. i had the same issues you did when i was trying to load for my DR revolver 14-3. to light of power had a soft recoil but ungodly bad accuracy. 357 Magnum 35,000 Use the lead bullet loads with the plated and you will be fine. Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. (bullseyeforum.net). Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. Think that if a .44 spl. There are many fun uses for buckshot. Ive long since changed to a press, but that Lee Loader in its cardboard box is still in a storage box for obsolescent reloading gear. You may end up with one "not" clearing the barrel. Also compared a S&W 638 to the S&W 36. .38 Special Montana Gold 125 FMJ Power Pistol 6.1 COL 1.417 Tested with a S&W-686-3, 6", ambient temperature about 32 degrees, no wind, target posted at 25 feet (hey, I'm testing handloads for use, not my long range bear killing skills, defensive only). In half a dozen different sixguns, it ranged from accurate to spectacular. in 158 weight berry's bullet 3.8 grains of bullseye with a taper crimp. The trigger has smoothed out over time. Components add up to far less than even generic grade factory ammo. Try. All the data says this should be an OK load , even "mid-range" for non +p. SWC+GC, A 4 inch barrel would be my choice as well. BrianEnos.com What I learned after 50 years of shooting and reloading 38spl cases some where around 100 thousands rounds. I have done it with 38 special and 44 Mag, only to have a lead coated bore that looked like a rusty old drain pipe. My hand ached for a week. Im still new to reloading, having done 2500 38 spl with bullseye. From my Hornady Third Edition manual 38 Special 158 Grain Lead Round Nose #3586 Win 231 3.0 Grains 650 FPS 4.4 Grains 850 FPS Now I will tell you from experience you do NOT want to load Lead Bullets Fast. I'm new to reloading, starting off with a single stage Lee press reloading .38 special and .357 magnum with Lee's 4 die carbide set. Main fame for the .38 is now the J frame size revolvers, as a CCW gun. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. 32 H&R Mag 21,000 This represents a great start, and if thats all you do, youll still be far better off than the majority of the population. Ideal load in a 2 J Frame .38. They are reliable accurate and deadly. I have found that some powder coated bullets which are the same weight as lead, feel quite punchy out of the gun. These types of guns are not as strong as more modern solid frame revolvers. Main issue is that the .44 spl. Wow I learned something vital from this topic. My Dad has advanced arthritis and could not longer easily work his auto loaders. These bullets shot to point of aim in modern S&W snubbies, but the older M10-5 was regulated with 158 grain bullets and 125's shoot low. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck. Like Wobbly. It has been many years since I used a Lee Loader and a wooden mallet to reload 8mm Mauser. You gotta try the S&W M342 Airlight TI. Here is the dillema: The Lyman manual says starting load is 3.2 grains and MAX. 32 S&W Long 15,000 Boolit Grand Master. The only way to shoot both 9mm and .38 special is to have two separate cylinders timed to the revolver. Great article & thread!!! Something like the Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 yup, theyre the best caliber for those size revolvers. The beauty of shooting a .38 is that you can easily practice at the ranges youd fight at using basically any cheap bullet at minimal expense. I make a habit of counting the number of reloads I make by keeping a tally of primer and bullet boxes. It is always higher when powder is next to primer. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. Initially I shot them out of my Dads prized Smith & Wesson 686 and learned a great deal about double-action shooting and what a truly accurate handgun can do with a wadcutter. Reloading .44 Spl. That little 9 oz. I, like Spartacus, find the SAAMI recommendations an interesting spec for comparative purposes. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Winchester 231 is between Bullseye and Unique for the .38 special (see my personal load above). Thats what the Cavalry Board asked for over a century ago, and thats what weve got. "Berry's Superior Plated Bullets are the finest bonded copper-jacketed bullets available today.." ?. I still think highly of the LCR but would shoot only 148 grain wadcutters in .38 Special or .32 H&R Magnums in the .327 Magnum model. I SEE THAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT USE THE AMMO FOR D/R. Both have fed 100% in a variety of pistols and have shot very well. How can I tell if they are cast or swaged? Josh Wayner is a Michigan native, active competitor, Grand Valley State University alumni, troublemaker, and fiction author. I found it to be a nice blend of accuracy, soft recoil, and sure functioning, with enough spice behind it to reliably topple steel targets. Use data for weight. This 1911 halved its normal so-so accuracy with 200-grain Hornady C/T SWC, shooting this nice two-inch group. 100 except where otherwise noted in "remarks" Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. 594/600 at the real distances of 24 rnds at 50 yds, 24 rnds at 25 yes, and 12 rnds at 7.5 yds. If you havent taken a look at what the .38 Special offers, youre selling yourself short. 8.) Regulator, SBSS #2255, Pawnee Station, Ro I & II. I have several manuals and some say that this load is a low +p, some say it is not, but it is very accurate. Good point Len. Classics go well together: circa 1909 S&W .38 Special and traditional 148-grain wadcutter load of 2.7 grains of Bullseye. In my time with the cartridge, I have come to appreciate the mid to low end of the power spectrum and thus have made extensive use of Trail Boss powder and bullets such as Hornadys .358 158gr SWC. The design of this modern revolver makes the SW guns seem archaic. is limited to either the various Charter Arms models, or as a training/target load in a .44 magnum size handguns. Your link has been automatically embedded. I'm seating to what's in my loading manual. Bullseye 3.2gr / 763fps --> 4.2gr / 892fps (max) Unique 4.3gr / 773fps --> 5.3gr / 944fps (max) 231 3.9gr / 733fps --> 4.8gr / 896pfs (max) These are out of a 5.5 inch barrel Edited June 25, 2016 by jschweg Dr. Phil Classifieds 712 Yeah no. Bonus is the CT #305 grips are both large enough to be actually useful, and can use the laser, or turn it off if you dont need the laser. . 110gr JHP! But, with jacketed bullets that doesn't seen to be working. Rookie, back in the day when I was reloading I went through a 3 round butt L. Horton special model 24, a 4 24 and a 4 624. In terms of the best stopping power for .38 Special, I personally like 150 grain full wadcutters or 158 grain hollowpoint semi-wadcutters. looks like today. Its the kind of load that will make you fall in love with the 1911 all over again! Now, you have to go to a range or have a membership and pay to fill the backstop with lead. For 3 that actually doesnt kick too badly. Great to get the Mrs out there! 2.) want me to write up an article about 3d printed .38 special bullets that Ive been working? 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! This is my plink load for the kids. I too must be older than my years (35), as I love reloading .38SPL and have a S&W 442, S&W 36, and my most recent acquisition is a S&W 19-5 that is an absolute joy to shoot. The only reason that my standard (everyday carry) self-defense handgun is not a .38 Special revolver is because I can conceal a semi-auto better (it isnt as fat as the cylinder on a revolver) and my semi-auto has 15 rounds of hard-hitting 180 grain bullets. This pistol uses the .38 Special with a Remington wadcutter bullet seated flush with the case mouth. Unique was a sooty powder so Ive switched to W231. And if youre doing that [shooting 158 grain bullets at 1200 fps muzzle velocity] with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. So it is my gut feeling that Winchester found it to be touchy in smaller calibers like 38 special and 9mm Luger. When you could leave city limits and just about every dirt mound in sight, was a plinking range. Reducing consumables (and therefore cost) that much more is definitely appealing to me. BTW, I wish I had any one of those three revolvers today. Be careful about published sources (and doubly so about internet sources), regarding maximum loads for the 38 special. Prefer to use the CT model 305 laser grips in lieu of S&W grips. 4.2 gr. The 9mm produces about 35,000 psi, Between that, some other info on other forums, Winchester's data for a lead flat point, and numbers from loaddata.com, I think I have some to start with. I wanted a good carry gun that was light and reliable, so I decided that the .38 would fit and I just went with it. hebyta Also some WSF. Currently using Titegroup, but started out with, and loaded many thousands of rounds, with Bullseye. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck.. Bullseye is a little smoky, a lot sooty, and has a distinct odor. IMHO .38 special is just fine for self defense, but just not enough to crack engine blocks. Hollow points are not. I load my 38 target ammo to 3.5 grainsand my self defense 38 to 3.8 grains, when using 158 grain bullets (and Bullseye). Dont take this the wrong way; Im guessing the average age of .38 spl fans is about my age (70). I load rounds for my wife to shoot @ Win 231 4.0 to 4.3 gr. LOL. I agree, an airweight has snappy recoil. For me, the 32 H&R Mag is my 357 Mag, and the 32 S&W Long is my 38 SPL. Accurate, powder-puff recoil, and serious power all in one. Good job on you! 7, No. The 38 Special Ball round was designed a long time ago to comply with specifications laid down for ammo that was : 1) Compliant with the Hague Accords of 1907 in regard to "unnecessarily" injurious ammunition. At 25 you can get away with a lighter load. 9mm 125 grain RN Lead Hard Cast Bullet. WITH THE SWAGED BULLETS REDDING SELLS A PROFILE CRIMP DIE. The .44 spl. A Tyler T grip would have helped here, but is incompatible w/ factory grips. Im not a hoarder and I dont keep them, but I am detailed in my process. I just bought a Lyman mold 160 round nose with a crimp groove. This load is in the general velocity bracket with most generic or bulk box 115-grain loads and zings over my chronograph at 1,125 to 1,140 fps from a Glock 17, depending on bullet style. I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. 3.8 gr. I wish Id had a commercial version of this load in my ammo allocation when we were tasked with getting classes of students up to special operations standards with the issue custom 1911s. I'm looking for some recipes for 38 special for a 125 grain copper plated (like Berry's) flat point bullet using Unique, Bullseye, or W231. Home About Partners Contact. (Note H110 & W296 are the same as of 2008 as is HP-38 & W231), (IMR 4227 is same as H-4227 if made in Australia), * Blackhorn 209 is a black powder substitute with smokeless like qualities. Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. The quality of the loads equals a bargain. For those folks shooting a lot of lead bullets, invest in a Lewis lead remover. 11/2/2022. My point being is I used the resources I have, looked elsewhere (The High Road, The Firing Line), and wanted to try here. All newly manufactured .38 Special revolvers must be proof tested to the same higher proof . All right are Reserved Reload Ammo, Reloading The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol), hi=849 lo=728 ES=122 (powder up and down), hi=821 lo=684 ES=137 (powder up and down), hi=815 lo=637 ES=178 (powder in normal positions), hi=714 lo=549 ES=165 (powder up and down), hi=758 lo=693 ES=65 (powder up and down)(DO NOT USE LESS), Hi=886, Lo=861, ES=25 (This is a Carolina Cast bullet SWC-great cowboy load), hi=859 lo=743 ES=116 *(my personal medium load), hi=875 lo=685 ES=190.2(powder up and down), hi=710 lo=497 ES=213 (powder up and down), hi=791 lo=625 ES=166 (Powder up and down), hi=785 lo=670 ES=115 (powder up and down), hi=801, low=766 ES=35.32 in Contender 14 bbl. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. I used to reload .38s and .357s with 158 grain LSWC bullets over 4.3 and 6.5 grains of Unique. Totally agree. Most of these are at the upper end. Rules say (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. You can post now and register later. IT'S A COMBINATION TAPER AND ROLL CRIMP. Load it in 38 Special dies. These two can cover the entire performance spectrum up to .38+P. Paste as plain text instead, . The Speers do occasionally and the Magnus a little more. If you, I took the vow not to buy any more AR-15s a couple of years ago. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Pick up any current gun magazine and youll be inundated with images of sexy black rifles. Handload: 158 grain round nose lead /3.8 grains Bullseye MV 775 fps ME 210 ft./lbs. 2, No. 38 special is a great cartridge. Only the Model 60 sometimes have factory installed grips that are not worthless. During my first half century on this planet, my caliber of choice for defense was 45 ACP- but for everything else it was always 38 SPL. 38 special , bullseye, and 125 grain lead rnfp Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting : The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and . Send the cylinder out to get cut for moon clips and adapted to 9mm, so you can shoot both 38/357/9mm and use all on moon clips. .38 J frame.) Caveat: I have decided that I want to be prepared for threat scenarios that include stopping a terrorist or spree-killer (the odds of which I fully recognize is statistically zero). RN, 160 gr. With all the loads available, you can surely find one within recoil tolerance. We look at three classics: one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. Hornady 115-grain HAPs over 4.4 grains of Bullseye alongside 25-yard timed-fire target. I load my own, 130 gr RNFP using Win 231 powder a little over the mid point in the published load data. You trade a little less speed for a little more mass but at snubnose velocities I really think the standard 158 grain slug gives the best penetration. Ammunition is available everywhere handguns are legal. As a young man, I came into a couple of cases of hand-me-down factory mid-range wadcutters. Depending on the drill, 200-grain .45s let shooter push faster or use available time to shoot better, with significantly less recoil than hardball. I dont own anything in .38 special yet, but I have plans to buy a .357 magnum revolver in near future, so I already reloaded couple thousands of rounds in .38 and .357. Only need cast when driving up to 1200 fps or so. I keep it under my seat in case I get an unwanted intruder and I cant get to my IWB semi auto. He has taught and been responsible for numerous advanced skills and weapons courses within multiple organizations. An early Les Baer .45 knotted a group of the lead SWCs into a tight 1.3-inch group, while an M&P .45 did 1.25 inches. Times across steel plate racks and many of my standard drills with the 200-grain SWCs rival my best easy-shooting 9mm results. Posted March 2, 2013. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. Loads for .38 S&W: This short, little cartridge has been around since the 1870's and was most common in the "break-top" models. I thought the DR program was NRA, not CMP. Similarly on drills with set times such as firing five shots in five seconds onto a bull at ten yards, the Bullseye load allows a little more time per shot to take advantage of a great 1911 trigger and lets the shooter nearly push shots into the same hole. Think a lot of people would find that a .44 special or .45 Colt, in a decent revolver, a viable alternate to a pistol. Hehe, back before Nick skimmed down. I believe this particular bullet is meant for the 9mm,but drops at 358. The average street punk today has more firepower than the Russian Army did in WWII and trying to re-load a revolver in a fire fight is the best way to commit suicide that I could ever think of. Canister Sizes: View All Bullseye Recipes Lord only knows how many cartridge cases I hammered with a plastic mallet into that Lee, it had to be thousands. IF YOU ARE USING SWAGED 158GR BULLETS 3.1 WILL WORK, IF USING HARD CAST 3.3 IS NEEDED. I shoot almost exclusively cast lead from my handguns. Now theres an old memory. Ive been loading 158gr FMJ with Titegroup and the only problem Ive had is getting the seating depth right after the die locknut slipped. The cases are large enough that they can be easily manipulated by inexperienced hands and yet small enough to not require much force in the sizing stage. I use 3 gr. I'm still hunting for a DR load for my S&W M19-5. Winchester's 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders Guide (1995) Hodgdons Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) Speer Reloading Manual, #12 Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. I fired 3 Remington 125 SJHP 357s from a 340 and thought i had nerve damage in my hand. 5 are good choices. Years back, for indoor matches I teamed the heavier S&W Model 28 with 3.4 grains of the same powder and bullet in . Thats a pretty clear explanation and comparison of the NEEDS of the strength of the chamber for each caliber. Hence the lack of load data from just about anybody. I havent shot too many full house Casull loads, but I get a huge grin when shooting my reduced loads of 7.5grs of Trail Boss under a Cast Performance 360gr WLFN. NULLI SECUNDUS. And if youre doing that with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. I meant to say NRA. No matter where you look, the first mention in classic loads for the .38 Special is a 148-grain wadcutter over 2.7 grains of Bullseye. Anyway, you are probably right that the revolver guys trend towards the older end of the spectrum, but I think some of the younger guys are starting to catch on to the magic of wheel guns. I did start out fawning over all of the tactical gear, but once I had that covered my tastes matured I think to love the wood and steel guns. Midway has it in stock. Ready to load some Berry's148 gr plated DE wadcutters with Bullseye. But this piece isnt about the gun, but rather the cartridge. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. Which left me with the last two. Hornady DISTINGUISHED LOADS SUCK - Distinguished Revolver loads that don't suck? WST seems like such a good powder in .45 ACP that I thought I might try it. So, I'm guessing the pressure curve isn't as severe as some of the faster burners. Very little recoil, and grouped acceptably out to 15 yards or so. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion. Reloading supplies and load recipes are available everywhere. .38 special has got to be one of the best calibers there is . I get okay accuracy with 4.4 of W-W 231 and 125s, depending on what bullet is used. You can't rely on this because not all variables for YOUR cases and chamber and loading length, etc. 25 Auto 32 H&R Magnum 32 Auto 32 S&W Long 357 Magnum 38 Special 38 Special +P 38 Super Auto +P 380 Auto 40 S&W 44 Rem. The more serious concern for some loaders is that the small charges of fast-burning powder take up little room in the case, making it possible to double charge a cartridge and exceed safe pressure. Since we are working with a gun that doesnt have a magazine, we can afford to mess with this dimension at will. Also internet references 2009, Copyright. My best group was .9 inch out of a Model 15. 5 are good choices. 110gr JHP! Even at hot .44 mag velocities my Super Redhawk has shiny bore with zero leading. Is it more bulky? My guess would be almost identical, straight wall, not high pressure, definitely. I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. AA#2 is about the same burn rate, but burns much cleaner with less smoke in my guns.
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